Benutzerin Diskussion:Sue Gardner

Debatte um die Einführung eines Bildfilters

Hallo Sue, unter anderem deinem Blog entnehme ich, dass du die in der deutschsprachigen Community laufende Debatte um die Einführung eines Bildfilters sehr aufmerksam verfolgst. Ich würde mich freuen, wenn du nicht nur im Rahmen der anstehenden Mitgliederversammlung von Wikimedia Deutschland in Kontakt mit der Community treten würdest, sondern auch unmittelbar in der deutschen Wikipedia, etwa auf der Diskussionsseite des Kuriers. Nicht alle Communitymitglieder, die sich an der Debatte beteiligen, sind nämlich Mitglieder von WMDE, und auch nicht alle derjenigen, welche Mitglied sind, werden nach Berlin fahren können. Grüße, --Alupus 18:25, 3. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

Hi Alupus. Thanks for pointing me towards that page: I hadn't seen it before. I can read it using Google Translate, but I'm afraid it's difficult for me to participate. If anybody wants to ask me a specific question, they can post it here and I'll answer it. It would help me if they'd post in English, but if they use German I will ask one of the Wikimedia Foundation's German-speaking staff to translate my answer. Thanks. Sue Gardner 18:48, 3. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

Hello Sue, thank you very much for your answer by return. I am assuming that you want to lead a panel discussion in Berlin with interested members of the german communtiy.Will there be an interpreter to reduce language barriers? In particular an number of users from the former GDR didn't learn English in school, so that it would be very kind, when they could benefit professional help.

I want to be honest and not hide the fact, that I fundamentally reject the filter project. On the other hand i assume, that some files raise questions, that can't be answered with simple "yes" or "no". We can find on commons several files, that in the view of the german penal code must be by failure of scientifc or al least educational scope rated as real pornographic material. Please save it to me to link to examples. Currently there are no precautions to ensure that underage access to these files is impossible. As father i wish, that there would be such precautions. Thank you for your attention, --Alupus 22:38, 5. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

Hi Sue, the opt-in version of this proposal by Benutzer:Neitram (originally proposed at Wikipedia_Diskussion:Kurier#thumb.2Fhidden) looks like it might form the basis of an acceptable compromise – both acceptable to the community here, and in line with the board resolution. Thoughts? --JN466 04:30, 16. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

This is a misrepresentation of the situation. The image filter proposal "thumb/hidden opt-in" that Benutzer:Jayen466 advocates, is his own. Jayen466 (aka Andreas Kolbe on [foundation-l]) mostly edits on the english Wikipedia, not on de.wp, and lives in England. He can not speak for the german community (neither can I, btw) and he gives not a desinterested assessment but rather one that favors his own wishes (he is a filter advocate for both controversial images and whole articles). Benutzer:Neitram has dismissed Jayen466s proposal: "I may be mistaken, but this variant sounds to me like a weaker variant of the original image filter idea, and also like a weaker variant of my original thumb/hidden idea. My thumb/hidden idea was not meant to be an "image filter" at all, but a completely different approach (...) My philosophy is not to categorize our visual contents to give users the technical means of a self-censored, image-reduced version of our wiki. I think if a user has a really serious personal problem with looking at certain of our images, they should go for an external, client-side solution that really filters images -- preferably all images from the Web, not just Wikipedia & sister sites." Just to clarify. I won´t elaborate further on my or the de.wp´s position to the image filter because it´s not helpful to open up even more coincidental discussions of the same topic. --Atlasowa 19:51, 22. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

Fork

Hi Sue Gardner, you stated above, you have not found the talk page of the Kurier, so I thought, you might be grateful for another hint: Wikipedia:Wikipedia-Fork. Maybe you will find somebody to translate it for you, because as you might have noticed the people in this project prefer to discuss in german.

I will not be in Hanover, it is a city situated in the north of Germany and not all german speaking contributors, which come in a substantial part from Switzerland and Austria - situated in the south of Germany -, have the time and get money for travelling to discuss the filtership proposal.

Actually I'd like to add another of my a bit negative but still humble opinions. I think, it was not a good idea to use your blog - somewhere out of the Wikimedia-projects - to talk bad behind people's backs, instead of being so bold to do it here and maybe with a translation. Do you know, that some of us did not learn english at school? Regards Catfisheye 20:06, 22. Okt. 2011 (CEST)He

Hello Sue, i underscore the above statement of Catfisheye. This project gives enough webspace in itself to discuss all question and problems. There is neither a need nor a necessity to discuss wikipedia related themes by you in your position as executive director of WMF for example in your own, personal blog. If you want to make notes on the behavior or statements of individual community members, it would be approbiate to do this on their own, individual user talk pages. Also it would be proud to discuss important project discisions, relevant for further contributions of an representative part of the german community, directly in the de-WP. I would also like to repeat here, on your talk page, my opinion already made ​​elsewhere: in my opinion a major portion of the donations to WMF and the local chapters is donated in terms of the mental performace of the authors of Wikipedia. Yours sincerly, --Alupus 02:02, 23. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

Hello folks. Sorry I haven't replied here. I appreciate you writing in English for my benefit when you can, but I do find it harder to interact here than on en, because of the language barrier. (Even the German interface is a small barrier for me.) So I am sorry my reply has been so delayed.

I have just made a comment on my meta talk page, replying to Alupus and jkb's questions about the Wikimedia Foundation's current position on the image filter. You can go there to read the whole statement, but I will also quote from it here:

I'm not a Board member, and I can't speak on behalf of the Board. What I can do though, is tell you how I am interpreting what the Board has said, and how I plan to have the staff handle this issue.

The Wikimedia Foundation is continuing to discuss the issue of controversial content, from both a technical and social perspective. The Board has not changed its original resolution to me, and so I am still intending to execute on what it asked me to do in its resolution.

However, I am not planning to create a category-based image filtering system, as was referred to in the image filter referendum. It became clear in the referendum results and the discussion afterwards that a category-based filter system would be unworkable and unacceptable to many of Wikimedia's communities. Therefore, I will not be asking the staff to create a category-based filtering system: that idea is off the table. This is only reasonable. I conducted the referendum because I wanted to know what people thought; they told me, and I am listening to what they said. That's appropriate, and it's how we should work together.

I know there has been a lot of rage and pain on this issue. Everybody at the Wikimedia Foundation has been doing their best to engage honestly and openly and constructively, but I am also aware that we have been clumsy in a variety of ways, and we have made mistakes. I am sorry for that. And so I want to be clear here in case it has been unclear so far: the Wikimedia Foundation is not going to impose something on the German Wikipedia, against the will of the German community. Doing that would be foolish. You and people like yourself create the projects. The Wikimedia Foundation respects and values your work. If you signal to us that you vehemently oppose something that we're doing, then we need to stop and rethink. That's what we're doing.

And so we have entered a discussion phase. Some ideas, such as a general images on/off switch, seem to have broad general support. Some other ideas seem to be more controversial than that, but not as controversial as a category-based image filter system. There are other ideas that are new, and only now beginning to be discussed. The Wikimedia Foundation will work in partnership with the Wikimedia community, engaging in discussion, until we figure out a solution that makes sense to everyone. That is what the Board has asked me to do – to work in partnership with you.

My hope is that we can have a good, rich, open conversation about acceptability and usefulness of different ideas, and figure this out in a way that works for everyone. I hope you'll participate on pages like http://meta.wikimedia.org/wiki/Controversial_content/Brainstorming and talk through some of the options there.

Thanks Sue Gardner 04:29, 28. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

German Interface

You can change this. Choose "Einstellungen", scroll down => "Sprache der Benutzeroberfläche", choose english, scroll down "Einstellungen speichern". Have a nice day :-) --Anneke 15:51, 29. Okt. 2011 (CEST)

Done. Thank you so much Anneke -- that's much better for me :-) Sue Gardner 00:28, 2. Nov. 2011 (CET)